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Oh no, Donna growled

The humans met up for BBQ, and the dogs had a chance to mingle in the temporary play area.

The temporary dog playpen


Play pens courtesy of Mango the Sheltie and Lycan and Lexie.

 

Although after a while, most of them appeared to be more interested in being outside than inside. Haha!


Let us out so we can go to our humans!

Donna wasn’t in there for a few reasons:

  • She would keep badgering them to play with her, even if they don’t want to and keep avoiding her.
  • She doesn’t like to be air lifted by humans, so I wasn’t about to dump her over the play pen.
  • She is wary of the noise by the unfamiliar movable “unstable” playpens, and hence hesitant to approach to walk in there by herself.

So she could only stand outside and look in at them.


Well, technically, I think she was thinking about food in this picture, hence the drool – – 

Yes mostly, she’d rather spend her time productively begging for food anyway.


Ever optimistic that the human race should starve themselves and donate all their food to her.

Donna doesn’t often vocalise

She was her usual quiet self. But she did have fun playing with her Japanese Spitz friend, Kanon, and begging for food in between rounds of playing with him.

The other dogs were not so comfortable with her having only met her perhaps once or twice before.

I could see Kooky Sheltie moving out of her way every time Donna approached.

Lexie the Border Collie was also slightly nervous, but hopefully they will warm up to each other when they had more time to spend together since they are attending the same Basic Obedience Training in October.

Lucky the Yorkie spent his time chilling out on the bench when he needed space or happily scampering after his human when they take time outs away from the party. And Cobie the Pomeranian spent a lot of time being fussed over somebody’s lap, barking when another dog comes near.

But Donna had some fun playing with Kanon and Nugget the Sheltie so I thought it was a fine evening for her. Echo the Sheltie seemed to have a tendency to rush at dogs who are playing and barking at them, which sometimes break up the play. Neither Kanon or Donna reacted to Echo though, which was good.

Maybe because the dogs seemed to get along or just move on when they didn’t click, I allowed myself to get more distracted as the evening wore on.

Perhaps just like humans will get tired and grumpy, dogs could too?

Because suddenly, Donna was growling continuously away from me and I quickly went over to pull her away from the trigger. I wasn’t watching so I had no idea what led up to her growling.

Doesn’t mean I didn’t ask myself the same question, why did Donna want to eat Echo?

Perhaps Donna just got too frustrated with Echo who kept intruding when she wanted to play?

But that is just pointless conjecture which really isn’t constructive at all. I wasn’t there to observe the cues and body language that each dog was sending which ended up in the escalation.

Who knows what really happened?

I guess my key takeaways are,

  • no matter how tired I get, I still need to be watchful and supervise Donna’s interaction with other dogs.
  • And in future, I need to be mindful enough to realise that I am tired and no longer alert or sharp enough to supervise, and that at that point, Donna should be returned on the lead and stay beside me.

Cookie the Japanese Spitz certainly had more self-awareness than either Donna or myself. Towards the end of the evening, he decided he had enough and sat there whining to go home. :)

Good for you, Cookie!


Back home, Donna half-heartedly chased her bone a couple of times before deciding that she was finally tired. THAT is a GOOD doggie day, I agree, Mel.

 

Related post

How to find a positive dog trainer in Singapore

Because this is a longer post, here’s the breakdown of what is being covered:

  1. The naggy introduction :P
  2. Dog training 101: Positive reinforcement – one of the quadrants in Skinner’s Operant Conditioning model
  3. How do I find a basic obedience course works for me?
  4. Who are the positive trainers in Singapore?
  5. Three questions to ask the dog trainer
  6. Asking ourselves the three questions
  7. More responses from Dog trainers and a dog owner [videos]

The naggy introduction :P

When we adopted Donna, we found that she had pretty bad thunder phobia. That made the quality of life for both the humans and the dog really sub-standard. When you adopt a dog, you take on a responsibility and commitment which means you can’t throw the dog back to the shelter just like that.

But given my own temperament and shortcomings, there was no way living with a thunder phobic dog could be good for either human or dog psychologically.

The truth, at one point, Mr P did wonder if we should just return Donna back to the shelter because her thunder phobia was just taking a toll on both of us.

Now, if your dog is already pacing around, climbing furniture, fear pee-ing because the weather got her all panicky, you can’t just stop her and push her to lie flat on the floor and call it “calm submissive”. It doesn’t work that way. (Note: I didn’t do that, but I recall an episode on TV when some guy was jerking a dog on his prong collar until dog stopped prancing from separation anxiety and just stayed very still on his bed and the guy called it being “calm”. If it was Donna, I would have called it being “overwhelmed by fear”, because that’s how she reacts to anything too threatening. )

But anyway, I don’t remember the timelines well, but I do remember a time when I was still new to managing a dog and trying to understand this training method called Positive Reinforcement and how it could possibly help Donna.

Positive reinforcement – one of the quadrants in Skinner’s Operant Conditioning model

Research told me that this was proposed by this guy called Skinner. B. F. Skinner was a Professor of Psychology at Harvard University. More about Skinner.

Fun fact
During WWII, Skinner worked for the military on an experimental project to use pigeons to guide missiles. – Havard Film Archive

Pigeons playing ping pong

So anyway, Skinner’s studies resulted in the approach he called Operant Conditioning, which described the following four quadrants – Positive punishment, Negative punishment, Positive reinforcement, Negative reinforcement. More about this in A Brief Survey of Operant Behaviour.

The Four Quadrants can be used to describe any action a person/living thing takes towards another living thing – human, dog, cat, pigeons. And what Skinner did was to study the consequences on the behaviour that the action was directed towards.

In the context of dog management and training, this is what the Four Quadrants can mean:

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Note: This image of Lili Chin’s is pending an update, you can see her notes on the wordings she is intending to update here on her original download page. Image is some rights reserved and can be used for non-commercial use with attribution.

 

How do I find a basic obedience course that works for me?

Now, I did the research and reading up on my own because frankly, I wanted to send Donna for Basic Obedience Training since quite a long time back but the prospect of finding a trainer we are comfortable with was daunting.

How do I qualify a trainer? I didn’t have the necessary knowledge to decide who is potentially good or bad for Donna. Who really knows his stuff? Who is really just gonna be giving me unsubstantiable marketing spiel about his “street cred”. Like come on, that guy on TV has tons of “street cred”, no?

But after much reading and interacting with Donna, where I arrived at today is this:

I wanted a trainer who can

  • read and understand Donna’s body language and behaviour
  • teach me to train her in a fun (for both human and dog), force-free way
  • correct the mistakes I am committing because much of what I am doing is based off Internet video tutorials from overseas positive trainers, so it’s really my own interpretation and I may not see my own blind spots. 

I wanted it to be positive because I see it as the gentlest way of training my pet dog without causing her even more stress.

  • Not a trainer who requires Donna to be on a choke chain from lesson one.
  • Not a sometimes “positive” trainer who uses a mixed bag approach from the toolbox where it suits him.
  • But basically, a trainer who understands the science and the theory and who has applied it in his work and believes in it.

Because who else to learn from but someone who is truly passionate about it? Who else is better at motivating and inspiring the dog owner, than a trainer who is totally committed towards the chosen approach?

 

The truth,

The positive dog trainer in Singapore is a rare animal

Somehow the stars fell into place and we managed to have a group of friends come together wanting to form a private training group with a Positive Trainer.

We contacted all the trainers in the AVA (Agri-food and Veterinary Authority of Singapore) accredited list and guess what – none of them (who responded) are positive trainers. Zero.

Who is a potentially Positive Trainer in Singapore?
Based on the information our group pooled together:

I used “potentially” because I haven’t met with them personally and I have never worked with them in real life.

And no, they are all not AVA-accredited. So if you want to get one of these breeds in the Second Schedule, you probably have to consult with AVA if you may use non AVA-accredited trainers for the obedience training.

 

Three questions to ask the dog trainer

So, the reason why I’m writing all these today is because right now there is this interesting event going on called the World Dog Trainers’ Motivation Transparency Challenge.

Quoting the dogthusiast,

Jean Donaldson of The Academy For Dog Trainers noted there is a disconnect between the marketing language used by dog trainers, and what they actually do in practice… Do not trust a trainer’s marketing on websites on its own.

Exactly the same questions I had when I first started looking for a prospective trainer, how do I qualify them? Sure, the four trainers I listed above all claimed on their websites to be positive.

But how do I know they are really positive?

The World Dog Trainers’ Motivation Transparency Challenge seeks to highlight exactly that. It suggests to you three simple questions to ask the trainer you are sussing out:

1. What will happen to my dog if she gets it right?
2. What will happen to my dog if she gets it wrong?
3. Are there less invasive alternatives to what you propose?

I haven’t really had the time to look at a lot of the videos yet, but the questions do help you to determine which quadrant(s) the trainer says he employs for the proposed training. The rest then lies on your own comfort level with his answers and whether you think you can work well with him.

So in case you are interested in checking out the four positive trainers listed above, these are the three questions you can consider asking them. (Besides the checks on background profile and word of mouth effectiveness that we are likely to do when looking to hire somebody.)

 

So what do we do with Donna?

So after more than a year since we adopted Donna, we are finally enrolling in Basic Obedience Training. The training is positive, and we take it to mean force-free.

We haven’t really asked our trainer those three questions ourselves, haha! But in our conversations we understand she may use the following:

Positive reinforcement to reward desired behaviour

Negative punishment which means the dog is not rewarded because he did not perform the desired behaviour or action.

She won’t use the following:

Negative reinforcement can mean taking away a variable that could be distracting or “punishing” your dog in some way and so prevents him from the desirable behaviour.

Note, in some cases Negative reinforcement can be considered as undesirable. So do pay attention to what the trainer says in his answers to questions, and always ask when he uses jargon/terms that you don’t understand. Ask him to explain until you do.

But it is not all bad e.g. when Donna perceives a broom or mop leaning against a wall near her, she is more likely to be apprehensive and distracted and not respond to a command. This is because she worries that the “unstable” object will fall on her. Once the object is removed, she is no longer distracted and happier to sit, etc on command.

But what I would avoid are trainers who say they are “balanced trainers” and may use tactics from all four quadrants, particularly Positive punishment.

Positive punishment means the dog is punished when he does not perform the desired action or behaviour.

I say so because I already know the consequences I could get with Donna after more than a year of living with her. Note: This is my dog. Every dog is an individual, so what works with my dog may/ may not apply to yours.

So out of fun, here’s my own answers as a pet owner to the three questions:

1. What will happen to my dog if she gets it right?
She gets rewarded with a treat (positive reinforcement) so she knows this behaviour is encouraged and that she will get rewarded if/when she repeats.  And she is generally happy to repeat.

 

2. What will happen to my dog if she gets it wrong?
I tend to turn a blind eye when she gets it wrong. And wait to reward her when she gets it right.

I am aware that taking too long to reward or taking away the reward can cause her to show signs that she feels frustration. Depending on the context, the training may or may not engage her because of the frustration that is allowed to build.

So I try to avoid that to some degree, and make sure the frustration doesn’t build up to make it an entirely disagreeable experience for Donna nowadays. A lot of things are not life and death for her to learn right away. So when we get stuck, we try doing something else, and coming back to this at a later time.

Learning to set her up for success is an ongoing process. I have found it helpful to keep training sessions short so we can end on a positive note without her feeling bored or worse frustrated from it.

Sometimes I need to figure out how to distract her from the undesired behaviour or to lure her into performing the behaviour I want in order to capture it and reward her.

My experience is that if Donna perceives herself as being positively punished or forced into doing something, she cowers and shrinks back in fear.

She becomes hesitant to respond and so she does not learn as fast as she could have had she felt confident and encouraged to test and learn what works to get her more treats. So when I say “No”, she listens too well. She stops trying altogether.  So I consciously try not to positively punish her in that way.

 

3. Are there less invasive alternatives to what you propose?
I am a dog owner with only a year’s experience, so I’m definitely not an expert, so I have to agree with Eileen from Eileen and dogs!

I will get a better trainer than I am, and that is exactly why we are attending a Basic Obedience Course in October, more than a year after adopting Donna.

Sure Donna already knows her basic obedience stuff, but she’s not perfect and I’m looking forward to the new things we may  learn together in a high distraction environment with other dogs.

 

More responses from Trainers and a dog owner

There are a number of responses posted on the  World Dog Trainers’ Motivation Transparency Challenge facebook page. But if you only have the time for two or three, I would recommend: –

1) For beginners wondering what a positive trainer’s approach to training is,
I’m not familiar with this trainer, but his video is very easy to watch and understand compared to the others.

2) For dog owners who already have a basic understanding of positive training and some knowledge of what is *BAT (Behavioural Adjustment Training),
this video by Grisha Stewart from Ahimsa Dog Training in Seattle may be interesting.
*You can learn more about BAT here, there is also a Bat seminar coming up in Singapore in November that you can check out here

3) For dog owners who already have a basic understanding of positive training 
This video is softer in volume so it may be harder to catch what she is saying, but a fair bit of what I learn about fearful dogs and dog training actually comes from dog owner and blogger Eileen and Dogs, among others like Ahimsa mentioned above.

I found the videos via My imperfect dog who did a great job of narrowing them down for us on her post What happens if the dog gets it wrong. The comments on raising criteria are as interesting as the post so go take a look if you want to know more about the topic. :)

Updated

Here’s a video from Pup Pup n Away in Singapore.

 

Note: Skinner’s original operant conditioning model, when applied to dog training can be somewhat confusing because of the terms used, and how trainers interpret them. If you find I am mistaken or inaccurate in any way, I would very much like to be advised on the inaccuracies. Thanks!

Positive Training Blog Hop

Today, pet blogs that are interested in the topic of Positive Training can submit their blog links to the Positive Training Blog Hop.

This is so that we create an interest group around the topic and hopefully, help to spread wider awareness of Positive Training and how it can help pets, particularly sensitive ones that are quick to react in fear like Donna.

What exactly is Positive Training?

I’m testing myself here by typing out what I understand by the term. So please do feel free to correct me if I am wrong and set me right. :D

Positive training refers to training where the dog is not forced or coerced in anyway to perform a particular behaviour.

Rewards are an important part of positive training. Rewards…

1) make the training fun so that the dog is motivated to focus on the training.
2) encourages the dog to replicate the desired behaviour or trick in order to be rewarded.
3) helps dog look forward to future training sessions

Training is positive when…

1) dog is having fun with the training, with the appropriate relaxed body language

2) dog volunteers the behaviour or trick being trained because he wants the rewards

3) dog does not show signs of fear or distress, such as tensed body, ears pinned back against the head, tensed, closed mouth, whale eyes, looking away repeatedly and for long periods of time

4) dog does not offer the behaviour or trick being trained because he is forced to e.g. pushed on the rump to sit, pulled by the collar to correct barking, grabbed by the muzzle to stop growling. He does not offer the behaviour or trick because he wants to avoid punishment e.g. tug on the collar, a kick, being pushed down to lie flat on the floor

Looking at the above, I have to conclude that positive training is grounded in an understanding of dog behaviour and body language.

If a person is unable to tell if a dog is relaxed and happy versus tense and upset, if a person is unable to tell when a dog is being pushed to far that he will lash back or pull back into himself and become unresponsive, the person will find it hard to positive train a dog effectively.

I do think that the more I work at this, the better I get at reading and reacting to her body language.

Particularly when I film Donna on video, I am sometimes disturbed that I continue to stress her for too long, despite her repeatedly looking away and liplicking. Honestly, without the videos, I may not even be as aware of what I am doing. That’s one of the reasons why I love to video what we do as much as I can. Although that can be hard without a helper.


So, here’s a quick run through of what I have been doing with Donna in the past weeks using positive training:

Urban agility and Balancing skills
Urban Agility is a method of exercising your dog using public structural components and park furniture. Training with your dog to sit, trot along or jump over obstacles found in the urban environment helps with improving the dog’s agility and providing positive mental stimulation for the dog. When trained positively, the dog should gain greater confidence with navigating these obstacles. Click to read full article.


Are forcing the dog to balance things on her head?
Sometimes in social media, we see pictures of dogs who don’t look like happy campers balancing objects on their heads. They typically show pinned back ears, whale eyes, tense closed mouths, etc. How can we teach this trick to a dog positively so the pictures show a happy, smiling dog instead? Click to read full article


House manners: How does dog react to people at the door?
If your dog jumps at you, take a step back so the dog lands on the floor missing you. This is a no contact, force free method that ensures safety for both the human and the dog. But what if your house guests are afraid of dogs or just annoyed by what they perceive as a badly behaved dog? Guests don’t know how to manage the dog appropriately like you, so it makes a better experience for all if you train the dog how to behave in advance. Click to read full article


Positively reinforcing street cats not to react to Donna and vice versa

Sometimes, I bring down some fresh boiled meat and feed the pieces alternately to the street cats and Donna. Cat gets more the nearer he steps towards Donna. I’m trying to positively reinforce the kitties to see come over the dark side and see Donna friend! :P Click to read full article.


Wave left, wave right
Resuming teaching the training trick after we left off of it from last year. Last year, I was still not good at managing and more often than not can push her too far until it stops being fun. This year, I have become much better at breaking it up into small fun sessions.

Training. Keep it short, fun and yummy. Click to read full article.


Teaching dog to wear head accessories the fun way
While I was away, I bought Donna a pair of Doggles or doggie goggles. It was an impulse buy. :P
So now poor Donna has to start to learn to like wearing her new doggles :P Click to read full article.


This is the First Monday Positive Pet Training Blog Hop hosted by Cascadian Nomads, Dachshund Nola & Tenacious Little Terrier.


We all have our moods

1 Day 1 World Project: Donna at 05:00am – 06:00am

One of the reasons why it was so difficult for me to deal with a thunder phobic dog in the first year of adoption is that when I lose it, I really lose it.

When the rainy season comes around, I start losing sleep because the dog makes a racket and a mess of the house when it thunders in the middle of the night. The loss of sleep hours accumulated and eventually the human is pushed past her threshold.

My dog is not aggressive.

But I am, when I get to that point.

Which basically unravels all the good work I put in with desensitisation and dog regresses.

I find myself at that point again today, unfortunately, after a week of extremely poor sleep patterns and long hours. The best I can do for Donna is to distance myself.

This is Donna at about 5:30am sometime in the last week. I was woken by the thud of potted plants toppling due to strong winds and rain. Donna was looking only mildly worried, but happy to find me checking on her.


Welcome, human.

Since it was close to daybreak, there was no point going back to bed.

You know that when she stands pointing towards the study, she wants to go hide in the room. She feels safest there but isn’t as comfortable in there by herself if I’m not in there with her.


Let’s go to my safe place, human


I don’t like the weather outside, human


Now that you’re in your chair, you should start giving me treats, human.

While each dog is an individual, if you are interested to know what helped with Donna’s awful thunder phobia so that nowadays she only shows mild worry around humans – read this:
– Donna finds shelter from Thunder Phobia

I hope one day she would be worry free, even when the humans are not home.

Note: Despite the human’s bad humour today, the good news is Donna has passed the temperament test today at Therapy Dogs Singapore. Hopefully she will be comforting to the people she is suppose to therapise.

For 24 weeks, weliveinaflat will post photos taken for a specific hour in that week.
We will cover 24 hours in 24 weeks.
More about the 1 Day 1 World Project here.

 

Three more doggy parkour ideas

Wrote a new post here on doggy parkour yesterday, and so I thought I’ll throw together some bonus material today :P

1. Running up to a target on a slope, stand/sit-stay and then back down again.


Landscape rock along slope

 

2. Explore different wall heights and textures. Safety first!


Narrow walking space on this wall due to the divider in the middle.


Focus on balance on this wall with a curved top, Macritchie Reservoir


Undulating wave wall makes for an interesting run, Ponggol Waterway


Really high wall, Ang Mo Kio park

 

 3. Obedience work on easy walls

Even if your dog is just starting out, walking along a low wall need not be boring. Add some obedience work into the mix as Niner  demonstrates in this video.

To learn more about doggy parkour for dogs, check out this post.

Caution: Please don’t try this with dog next to busy roads if your dog is not good at off leash obedience and recall. You can still work on easy things with the dog on a lead, as long as the lead and attached collar does not endanger the dog for example, if he happens to slip and fall.

In all cases, please make sure your dogs remain well hydrated and are comfortable with what you are trying to get them to do. :)

Doggy parkour for city dogs

canine urban agility doggy parkourCanine urban agility, also known as Doggy Parkour, is a really fun way of exercising your dog while you are out on a walk. I know how boring it gets, just following behind your dog, while she stops to sniff at every lamppost and every tree. So here’s what I did with Donna :P

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Are we teaching or forcing the dog to balance things on her head?

So, I’ve never really tried to teach Donna to balance objects on her head, simply because she’s not comfortable with it:


Dogs don’t naturally balance things on their head from weliveinaflat on Vimeo.

As you can see, I can’t balance food on her head because her nose naturally orientates towards it and there’s no stopping her from fidgeting and trying to get to the food.

Like c’mon, it’s food, human!!

And Donna, like some dogs, actually is uncomfortable with things over her head. That’s one of the reasons why it is recommended to pet a strange dog under the chin or on the side of his body, rather than over the head.


This poster has been cropped with permission from Lili Chin DoggieDrawings.net, you can see the full poster here. Original usage terms here.

 

So I was pleasantly surprised when this happened:


The card is simply resting on her head and can be easily dislodged when she moves. 

Now after, I taught her to “relax” (link to video). It became one of her favourite things to do when she doesn’t know what I want and still wants to wheedle the treat out of me. She knows to relax means she needs to lie down with her chin on the floor.

I hadn’t realise it when I taught that to her, but it actually created the perfect opportunity for her to learn to stay still in a particular position. And that position was actually helpful for me to safely place things on her head. And since she knows her chin needs to be resting on the floor, she doesn’t move even with the items I place on her head.

Emboldened, I upped the level of difficulty by trying it out with treats. And it worked!


Donna “balancing” doggie biscuits.

Comparing both photos, I do think that she is a little bit less relaxed lying on the floor with treats on her head compared to the card. In the first photo where she balances the card, you can see her making eye contact and her ears are positioned forward on her head. She looks quite alert. But in the second photo, her ears are folding backwards and her eyes are looking away slightly. Can’t blame her since she could care less about the card but the food, from her perspective is definitely in the wrong place.

But basically I think we’re on the right track. The dog fidgets because she didn’t know that I want her to stay still in a particular position and balance things on her head. What she does know is that I am making her uncomfortable when I wave things near her head, so she moves to avoid them.

But when she is trained ahead of time and knows she needs to stay still in a particular position like relax, she doesn’t move to avoid the objects I’m placing on her head!

But I am going to have a problem trying to get her to generalise not reacting to the object that I’m trying to place on her head when she is in other positions. I think so simply because she has not been trained in advance to stay still in other positions, except relax.

I made a quick inquiry with an insta-friend what she would recommend for training the dog to balance things on her head. She advised that her friends just keep trying to balance things on the dogs’ heads and the dogs get it after a while.


I don’t really want that coin on my head, human! from weliveinaflat on Vimeo.

Looking at the way she moves her head to evade the coin and how she keeps looking away, I would say Donna is not having the grandest time of her life, even if she keeps the coin on her head sometimes.


Looking away is a calming signal showing that the dog is not engaged nor entirely comfortable with the situation she is in. Donna did show a close mouth (not relaxed) and other stress signs like nose licking if you watch the video carefully.
This poster has been cropped and edited to create a derivative work with permission from Lili Chin DoggieDrawings.net, you can see the full poster hereOriginal usage terms here.

Honestly, it’s not very fun for the human also. When the dog doesn’t want to cooperate, it’s bound to get frustrating not only for the dog, but the human too. Not the most constructive use of time for  both of us.

So I went in search of a better way of doing this and what do you know. A Youtube video! I’ve actually not seen a video by Kristin Crestejo before but I’m glad I found her.

In this video, Kristin starts out by desensitizing the dog to things waving around his head. That’s Step 1. She then slowly works the object upwards to above his head in Step 2.

I had skipped right ahead to Step 3 by placing things on Donna’s head without the conditioning work that she did! No wonder it’s so hard to even start balancing things on Donna’s head!

So here’s the video:

And as she points out, stay safe and don’t try to balance things that may be too heavy for the dog’s neck. ;)

Hope it helps you as much as it helped me to start to understand how to continue to train this trick positively!

Have fun!

Note: I don’t believe in training that involves psychological or physical intimidation or punishment. That means I prefer positive reinforcement training. I encourage anyone I know to learn more about force-free training. Here’s a neat article on what is Positive Reinforcement Training if you would like to know more.

The nuances in dog’s submissive behaviour: Lying down

Two months ago, Donna met Snow the Japanese spitz at the dog run again. Donna had actually met Snow when she was a small puppy about a year ago, but I’m not sure if they remembered each other.

Snow the Japanese Spitz – Popping on the back a submissive or calming signal?

They seemed to get along, but in a strange way. Every time Donna approached Snow, Snow would flop on her back like this.

dog submissive behaviour

Every time.

I read that dogs lie down as a calming signal or as an appeasement gesture to more assertive dogs. I’m not sure if this meant the dog is generally under stress, but Snow didn’t seem unhappy judging from her loose mouth and overall relaxed demeanor. So I left them to it.

Except that after a while, I got bored and tired of looking at Snow popping on her back every single time (haha!) so I called Donna away to a different spot in the dog run so she could think about playing with some other dogs instead.

We almost never meet a submissive dog like Snow so I didn’t think much about it until over the weekend when we attended a doggie birthday party.  Meet Sam Forest Loo Lim, probably the most submissive dog at the party…

dog submissive behaviour

Sam the JRT – Lying on the side a submissive or an appeasement signal?

Compared to Snow, I thought sweet little Sammy looked perhaps slightly more tensed because his ears were somewhat pinned back and his tail a little bit tucked inwards.

dog submissive behaviour

He stayed frozen in that pose the whole time Kanon the Japanese Spitz examined him until Kanon moved off.

dog submissive behaviour

And then Donna came in with her usual “Play with me” demand…

dog submissive behaviour

… and little Sammy flopped back down again.

dog submissive behaviour
Donna’s playbow was not heeded. 

…dogs clearly demarcate play by employing signals, such as play bows (i.e., putting the front half of the body on the ground while keeping the rear half up in the air) and exaggerated, bouncy movements. Anthropologist Gregory Bateson called play signals meta-communication, meaning communication about communication. Humans employ meta-communication a lot. For example, when teasing a friend, we may smile or use a certain tone of voice to indicate that we’re just kidding. Similarly, dogs play bow to invite play and to convey playful intentions during play. Marc Bekoff, while at the University of Colorado, did a study1 showing that dogs are most likely to play bow just before or immediately after performing an especially assertive behavior, such as a bite accompanied by a head shake. This pattern suggests that playing dogs recognize moments when their behavior can be misinterpreted as serious aggression and compensate by reminding their partner, “I’m still playing.” – Is your dog’s rough play appropriate, TheBark.com via Hawk Brown Dog

dog submissive behaviour
No I don’t wanna play with you… I just want to lie here and freeze until you go away, crazy Donna. 

Or at least, that was what I thought Sam was saying.

But Sammy’s human shared with me that he wanted to play, but perhaps was just unsure because he was meeting Donna for the first time. That made sense too, if he were really fearful, perhaps Sammy would have scooted back to his human in a hurry.

But he remained… and Donna was still play-bowing him – – (Donna is probably in danger of becoming a bully i.e. a dog that keeps bugging another dog to play even if the other dog is showing resistance.)

dog submissive behaviour

And then this happened again…

dog submissive behaviour

Passive submission usually involves a dramatic reduction in activity with a goal of diverting attention, and is most often seen in a lower-ranking dog when threats are directed toward him by a higher-ranking member of the social group (dog or human). The dog’s ears may be pressed flat against the head, with his tail tucked between legs. The subordinate dog often freezes, averting eye contact, lowering his head and body, sometimes to the point of going “belly-up” on the ground. Passive submission may also be accompanied by submissive urination. – Understanding how dogs communicate with each other, whole-dog-journal.com

Sammy is a cheerleader?

They separated for the cake cutting and group photo taking. Afterwards, Donna and Kanon started to play. Now sometimes Kanon likes to mount other dogs, but Donna usually just spins around to shake him off.

This time, Donna was finding it a little difficult to spin him off because Sammy decided that he wanted to play too.

dog play style and humping behaviour
Does Sam want to play with Donna now or is this a Two vs One situation?? Kanon mounting Donna from behing and Sam jumping on Donna in front.

I was quite surprised that Sammy had no issues putting his paws on Donna because of his submissive gestures earlier. So I wonder if his actions belong to the active submission category…

Active submission may also be identified as attention-seeking behavior: nuzzling, licking (including licking ears and lips), jumping up, paw lifts and pawing motions, “smiling,” teeth clacking, crouching, pretzeling, and play-bows. The dog’s ears may be pulled back, and his tail may be wagging expressively, with wide, sweeping movements or circles. These behaviors can often be seen during greetings between dog and owner, or between friendly, compatible dogs. – whole-dog-journal.com

dog play style and humping behaviour

Sam’s human gave me more insight when she explained that Sam is the type of dog who likes to feel involved when other dogs are playing. Cheerleader style??

Cheerleaders.  Cheerleaders play on the outside of a group who is more physically involved.  They run around the outskirts of the group and bark, sometimes almost constantly.  Often times cheerleaders turn into the dreaded “fun police.”  These dogs can be great on one hand (they may break up play that is getting too rough by dispersing the playmates and allowing them to calm down) or problematic (they can cause fights because some dogs do not appreciate having their fun broken up). – Canine play styles -why they are important, teamunruly.com

dog play style and humping behaviour

In any case, they still appeared to be having fun so we continued to observe.

They broke up on their own.

dog play style and humping behaviour
dog play style and humping behaviour

And then resumed the two-versus-one game again.

dog play style and humping behaviour
dog play style and humping behaviour
dog play style and humping behaviour

And then they had another break on their own.

dog play style and humping behaviour

Some time later, they started playing again in the same way. By then, I had stopped taking photographs since they seem to be doing the same thing all over again.

But after a while, you could sort of feel they were a lot more excited this time than the previous bouts. There was play growling from Sammy, and I wasn’t sure if Donna was play growling as well. But as I watched I could see that the hair on her back was standing and her mouth was really tense and at times she mouthed him.

Now Sam is a small dog so by then I thought it was better to call Donna away, give them a timeout and stop the play on a high note rather than risk letting them carry on. I just wasn’t sure if it was wise for them to continue when Donna was so aroused since it’s the first time Donna was caught in a situation where she is closed in between two dogs. And also, I didn’t want Donna to accidentally hurt Sammy since he is so much smaller and lighter than her.

And since it’s the first time they met each other, I just rather be safe than sorry. If they ever meet again, I’ll be interested in seeing how they continue to interact.

Perhaps I can be considered as highly interventionist?? Hawk the Brown Dog shared with me an article that has an interesting take on dog interaction:

Sometimes it is obvious at the beginning of a bout that two dogs are playing, but once the dogs start growling or their arousal intensifies, observers may no longer be sure that the dogs are still playing.

After all, humans instinctively avoid a dog who is snarling or baring his teeth, and it is natural to think that our dogs should do the same. When people interrupt really rowdy play, they assume that they are “playing it safe,” that is, doing no harm.

But what if this assumption is mistaken? Our research shows that for many dogs, play fighting is the primary method used to negotiate new relationships and develop lasting friendships.

Although play is fun, it also offers serious opportunities to communicate with another dog. In this sense, play is a kind of language. Thus, when we regularly break up what we consider “inappropriate” play, are we doing our dogs a service, or confusing them by constantly butting into their private conversations? Most importantly, how can we tell the difference?

– Full article here Is your dog’s rough play appropriate, TheBark.com via Hawk Brown Dog

So while I’ll still continue to pull Donna aside for time outs with new dogs she is meeting when they get rowdy, I will probably let her handle these interactions on her own with dogs that we have met more consistently and are more familiar with across time.

Donna the Mongrel – Lying on her back an invitation to play?

I recently wrote about Donna sending a calming signal when she threw herself on her side to “surrender” when a 6-mth-old labrador puppy got too excited for her to deal with.

Ending this post with a video of Donna on her back for a different reason. The daycare told me she was showing more of a “look at me” posture, inviting the other dogs to play with her.

donna tries so hard from weliveinaflat on Vimeo.

She looked so relaxed wriggling around there but it’s funny how she was trying so hard but the Border Collie walked by twice and ignored her both times. It looked like nobody responded to poor Donna but the daycare assured me that the last dog at the end of the video responded to her invite. :P

So good. ;)

Romping with a young one

“You could walk a little slower, human… *pant pant*”

tired dog

This is the face of a 5-year-old dog. Outplayed and outlasted by a 6-month-old chocolate lab puppy (that was about her size but bulkier). A month ago.

At first they had fun, but puppy was unstoppable and kept going after her even though she probably had fulfilled her quota for fun wrestling with salivary dog. :P She played with him still, but for the first time, she got so excited she was play-growling. I have never heard her growl during playing with another dog before so that’s new to me. But she has play growled with me when she gets too excited before, so I wasn’t too surprised. That’s usually the signal for me to give her a timeout.

It occurred to us we should separate them when Donna started the play growling. Have to say though that considering the action was fast and furious, the other lady (even smaller and slimmer than me) and I were probably somewhat at a loss how to separate them.

Donna didn’t seem particularly unhappy though, but I wouldn’t be surprised if I missed some calming signals from her.  And should have given them a time out sooner.

Eventually, enough was enough so she flung herself on the ground in a submissive gesture and puppy was onto her. We quickly move to separate them, but she had already darted off. Puppy gave chase but was no match for Donna’s speed.

Eventually they stopped and we were able to corner and separate the puppy from Donna.

So there you have it. Exhausted Donna. Outplayed, Outwitted and Outlasted by a 6 month old puppy.

At least she outran him. :P

I think it was still a good play session considering both dogs had fun and there was no antagonism between them even when things got a little wild. Just wondering if I was over-worrying over the play growling or I could have done better. :) I guess perhaps I should err on the cautious side and start giving them time outs earlier before they get too rambunctious for us to separate?

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